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As I read this (which is truly profound insight), I thought of Joseph Campbell's description of marriage as a battle. He didn't mean a battle between the spouses. He meant something more like what you are driving at here: a willingness to resist one's own personal desires when sacrificing to the *marriage* is needed to build that relationship. He was saying, in essence, that between two people in a relationship (a relationship of any kind), the relationship creates a third party to the relationship, which is the relationship itself. Obviously, the strength or longevity of the relationship varies enormously, and for a single-time relationship, there is little reason to make any sacrifice. The key, though, is that in Campbell's eyes or within his envelope of perception, *any* relationship involves a person into a battle with himself or herself involving sacrifice, and when the sacrifice is not appropriate, with repentance.

The essence of a low-trust society is actually one where predation and the desires that drive predation do not get modified or controlled by any form of sacrifice or repentance. By definition, psychopaths cannot create a healthy relationship, only transactional ones.

I can see all of the work being done by white hats to take down much of the evil networks can succeed in the short term while also seeing why so much effort has been exerted to wake people up to the existence of those networks so that the people can think of ways to alter behavior to help cleaned-up institutions remain clean.

"Waking up" therefore has two (at least two) levels on which it must work. You, Martin, are working on fair mechanisms which awake people can use to help keep the institutions clean, call it institutional hygiene.

The other thread must be an awakening at the spiritual level where people learn the need and wisdom of the second great commandment to love their neighbors as themselves (ie, see the relationship and be willing to sacrifice to the relationship and repent when falling short).

Ultimately, we have to sacrifice to God in our ultimate relationship and repent when we fall short. Then all things work for the Good. Without a relationship with God, there really is nothing but predation and blood, with socialism and communism thriving where they give people without God a fig leaf to make themselves feel good for their thefts and their tyrannies.

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"The first is an engineering problem.

The second is a spiritual one.

We will need to solve both."

Imagineering could do just that....hugs.

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