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Really interesting, Martin. Of course in Wikipedia types of environments, this means that deliberate attempts to malignly manipulate others is an entry that helps stabilize the system even as it destabilizes the larger system of the human community. There might be that a look into whether a system being analyzed is open or closed (as is important in thermodynamics) could affect how well or poorly manipulation and propaganda get handled or can propagate. The Chans seem to me more like a closed system in that the community is pretty much self-contained to its participants, while Wikipedia is meant to be an open system within the larger human community it is aiming to reach. Does the concept of "open/closed systems" have an impact here or is it in effect already contained in your analysis above?

I've been keeping an eye out for news about Grokipedia, as I think it may be a more useful middle ground between your two extremes, but it really depends on what you are setting forth here: Is it putting into place a system of rules or code or whatever which can reliably hold open the need to settle questions that are still actually open while reliably closing issues that are truly testable and known. Like false positive and false negatives in testing fields.

I think Musk and crew will be much more likely to want to hold open true discussion on non-settled issues. I'm wondering, Martin, do you know anything about how Grokipedia works, what its current rules are and whether you think those rules (or processes or whatever) can remain stable under load of public use when it comes out of its hothouse development phase? I think their rule structure might turn out to be quite interesting.

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And here come the Data Centers. Boon or bane?

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