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I believe that Elon Musk is attempting to create a termination sequencer in Grokipedia. I would venture to say that it will help but not solve the problem completely. I'm not sure the problem *can* be completely solved, especially in softer areas. However, in this case it can be a way for everyone to agree on secular truth, scientific postulates and evidence, even some political questions if analyzed in light of actual effects on people's decisions and actual outcomes of social experimentation (like communism and other clearly fatal political systems, rent control, and so on, where there is considerable and wholly one-sided outcomes).

The Catholic Church has done perhaps the best job of this as it is applied to softer issues. It has developed over 2000 years a codex of everything figured out and decided upon by the hierarchy and saints, called the Magisterium. It functions as a deposit of anchoring information, discussion and decisions designed to help keep people and institutions on the right track in faith and morals. How to behave, how to think about certain issues, and so on. It's designed to create and build guardrails to constrain human behavior to the Good, not just in clear areas but also where issues become gray and decisions uncertain. Christianity in general (which expanded on this) and the Magisterium in particular are the source and guardian of individual freedom, the individual's responsibility for his or her own behavior, and human rights. (Capitalism was invented by a small group of Spanish monks around 1600AD, human care and teaching by the Catholic Church, slavery was ended by protestants, the US founded by protestant christians based on so much work from the English/Scots/Irish, and so much more.) The Western Tradition comes from there and nowhere else. It's hard to abide by those guardrails, of course, but it is nonetheless an accepted mode for terminating moral discussions. Communism and paganism are the embodiments of the attempts to unmake the Magisterium or tempt people away from it so that they lose that moral anchor and do evil.

Perhaps a marriage of Grokipedia and the Magisterium will do what we need. :-)

jen bravery's avatar

Martin, this is possibly the most exquisite and elegant post yet.....

"You are not looking for agreement.

You are looking for closure.

You don’t win arguments.

You build systems where bad arguments cannot survive."

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